Comments on: my tee oh see http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/ a blog by the digital team at Pan Macmillan Sun, 05 Feb 2012 02:58:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: 090218 Missing Links | HR Examiner with John Sumser http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-6260 090218 Missing Links | HR Examiner with John Sumser Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:40:45 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-6260 [...] My Tee Oh See The playing field is changing in the publishing world. This matters to Recruiters and HR folks because content is the carrier for Branding and Employment information. This piece describes the key points from the O’Reilly TOC conference. The publishing industry is in a shambles and looking for direction. One of the big reason that real recruiting and branding costs are rising is that the publishers have abandoned their traditional paying customers as they lurch around trying to find their salvation. Generally, it’s a set of bad moves. [...] [...] My Tee Oh See The playing field is changing in the publishing world. This matters to Recruiters and HR folks because content is the carrier for Branding and Employment information. This piece describes the key points from the O’Reilly TOC conference. The publishing industry is in a shambles and looking for direction. One of the big reason that real recruiting and branding costs are rising is that the publishers have abandoned their traditional paying customers as they lurch around trying to find their salvation. Generally, it’s a set of bad moves. [...]

]]> By: trav http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4626 trav Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:39:37 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4626 This is a great post. One I have referenced a couple of times. I do wish there had been more discussion on the pricing issues that all publishers now face with the new products, competition through discovery and changing behaviors. Maybe TOC 2010 will have a panel on pricing... anyway, thanks again for the great summation here. It's good to have an overhead view that breaks it all down. This is a great post. One I have referenced a couple of times. I do wish there had been more discussion on the pricing issues that all publishers now face with the new products, competition through discovery and changing behaviors. Maybe TOC 2010 will have a panel on pricing… anyway, thanks again for the great summation here. It’s good to have an overhead view that breaks it all down.

]]> By: preor http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4618 preor Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:38:13 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4618 A transcript of Jason Epstein’s keynote speech A transcript of Jason Epstein’s keynote speech

]]> By: Bookmarks: More cuts at Borders, Atwood’s Dubai antics, and more | Quill & Quire http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4451 Bookmarks: More cuts at Borders, Atwood’s Dubai antics, and more | Quill & Quire Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:54:45 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4451 [...] of Change roundup: A transcript of Jason Epstein’s keynote speech, thoughts from James Long over at the digitalist, and an address by Canadian Bob Young of [...] [...] of Change roundup: A transcript of Jason Epstein’s keynote speech, thoughts from James Long over at the digitalist, and an address by Canadian Bob Young of [...]

]]> By: The Daily Square - Star Eyes Edition « Wordpress Lab http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4186 The Daily Square - Star Eyes Edition « Wordpress Lab Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:26:52 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4186 [...] A7 thedigitalist.net » my tee oh seeJames Long of PanMacmillan offers a round-up of the recently concluded Tools of Change conference. He hits the main themes quite nicely.James Long of PanMacmillan offers a round-up of the recently concluded Tools of Change conference. He hits the main themes quite nicely [...] [...] A7 thedigitalist.net » my tee oh seeJames Long of PanMacmillan offers a round-up of the recently concluded Tools of Change conference. He hits the main themes quite nicely.James Long of PanMacmillan offers a round-up of the recently concluded Tools of Change conference. He hits the main themes quite nicely [...]

]]> By: The Daily Square - Everywhere I Go Edition « Wordpress Lab http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4185 The Daily Square - Everywhere I Go Edition « Wordpress Lab Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:24:13 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4185 [...] A7 thedigitalist.net » my tee oh seeJames Long of PanMacmillan offers a round-up of the recently concluded Tools of Change conference. He hits the main themes quite nicely.James Long of PanMacmillan offers a round-up of the recently concluded Tools of Change conference. He hits the main themes quite nicely [...] [...] A7 thedigitalist.net » my tee oh seeJames Long of PanMacmillan offers a round-up of the recently concluded Tools of Change conference. He hits the main themes quite nicely.James Long of PanMacmillan offers a round-up of the recently concluded Tools of Change conference. He hits the main themes quite nicely [...]

]]> By: James Long http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4042 James Long Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:53:14 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4042 Allen - thanks for the clarifications you've offered. Your comment really highlights the point I was trying to make: that Google probably adjusts and controls the placement of GBS search results, so Orwant's answer to Tim to 'make the O'Reilly website better' to once again own search results really wasn't a satisfactory response. I think publishers would be justifiably reticent to add books to GBS knowing that they'd lose clicks from search at the same time as they might gain any of the other benefits of GBS that Orwant was outlining in his case studies. Erm, also in the interests of clarity, I'm James... not Eric. We don't have an Eric ;D Allen – thanks for the clarifications you’ve offered. Your comment really highlights the point I was trying to make: that Google probably adjusts and controls the placement of GBS search results, so Orwant’s answer to Tim to ‘make the O’Reilly website better’ to once again own search results really wasn’t a satisfactory response. I think publishers would be justifiably reticent to add books to GBS knowing that they’d lose clicks from search at the same time as they might gain any of the other benefits of GBS that Orwant was outlining in his case studies.

Erm, also in the interests of clarity, I’m James… not Eric. We don’t have an Eric ;D

]]> By: Allen Noren http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4014 Allen Noren Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:54:06 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4014 Hello Eric, This isn't necessarily true, at least not at the moment. Google regularly adjusts the placement of GBS results and how they're displayed. For a while last year the GBS result was always in the top position, and they added a cover with every result. It was arresting. Even though the equivalent O'Reilly result was almost always in the second position, I imagine a lot of eyes never made it further down the page. For about a month or more now (one never knows when changes are rolled out) they've changed the placement and look of the GBS result again. Take a look at the result for our book Learning Perl -- http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=learning+perl&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 -- and you'll see that the O'Reilly result is yet again at the top, while the GBS result is quite a ways down, and the cover is gone. In no cases that I know of have O'Reilly results disappeared, or moved further than the second position. Just wanted to make that clear. Regards, --Allen Hello Eric,

This isn’t necessarily true, at least not at the moment. Google regularly adjusts the placement of GBS results and how they’re displayed. For a while last year the GBS result was always in the top position, and they added a cover with every result. It was arresting. Even though the equivalent O’Reilly result was almost always in the second position, I imagine a lot of eyes never made it further down the page.

For about a month or more now (one never knows when changes are rolled out) they’ve changed the placement and look of the GBS result again. Take a look at the result for our book Learning Perl — http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=learning+perl&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 — and you’ll see that the O’Reilly result is yet again at the top, while the GBS result is quite a ways down, and the cover is gone.

In no cases that I know of have O’Reilly results disappeared, or moved further than the second position. Just wanted to make that clear.

Regards, –Allen

]]> By: Seeing the picture » Blog Archive » Jon Orwant on Google Book Search at TOC http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4013 Seeing the picture » Blog Archive » Jon Orwant on Google Book Search at TOC Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:08:36 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4013 [...] James Long’s report, on thedigitalist.net: Jon Orwant, from Google Book Search, stated at TOC that ‘the ultimate goal of Google Book Search is to convert images to “original intent” XML’. He explained the post-processing Google runs to continuously improve the quality of the scanned books, and to convert images to structured content. Retro-injecting structure accurately is no mean feat but when it’s done, Google will be able to transform the books into a variety of formats. The content becomes mutable and transportable, in a sense it isn’t yet, even though it is scanned, online and searchable. Orwant also presented three case studies - McGraw Hill, OUP, Springer - that demonstrated the benefits publishers can gain from having their books in GBS. [...] [...] James Long’s report, on thedigitalist.net: Jon Orwant, from Google Book Search, stated at TOC that ‘the ultimate goal of Google Book Search is to convert images to “original intent” XML’. He explained the post-processing Google runs to continuously improve the quality of the scanned books, and to convert images to structured content. Retro-injecting structure accurately is no mean feat but when it’s done, Google will be able to transform the books into a variety of formats. The content becomes mutable and transportable, in a sense it isn’t yet, even though it is scanned, online and searchable. Orwant also presented three case studies – McGraw Hill, OUP, Springer – that demonstrated the benefits publishers can gain from having their books in GBS. [...]

]]> By: Suzanne Axtell http://thedigitalist.net/2009/02/my-tee-oh-see/comment-page-1/#comment-4003 Suzanne Axtell Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:48:47 +0000 http://thedigitalist.net/?p=447#comment-4003 Thanks so much for this "meaty" post, James--much food for thought. We also appreciate your contributions to the #toc Twitter stream! Thanks so much for this “meaty” post, James–much food for thought. We also appreciate your contributions to the #toc Twitter stream!

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